Phone Call with Oregon Parks Official About Dismissal

[0:01] so I'm about to have a meeting with

[0:02] someone named Allison um over the phone

[0:05] she should be calling any moment

[0:08] now I'm a little bit nervous but I'll be

[0:12] fine I'm going to record the call so

[0:14] that I can transcribe it and share with

[0:17] AI um hopefully things go well hopefully

[0:20] that she's a little bit on my side I

[0:22] know that she's part of the

[0:26] system take a deep breath and be ready

[0:28] for this

[0:50] it's very

[0:54] stressful here we

[0:58] go hello samel

[1:00] here hi Samuel this is Alison call from

[1:03] oron Parks hi Alison thank you for

[1:06] taking the time to speak with me

[1:08] today yes so um first I wanted to

[1:11] clarify do you want me to refer to you

[1:13] as Samuel would that be your preference

[1:15] yeah I go by Sam my middle name Sam or

[1:17] Samuel's fine I just wanted to make sure

[1:20] that I'm calling you by what you would

[1:22] like to be called so okay so Sam um I

[1:25] read through your email that you sent me

[1:27] um I watched the video that you sent

[1:29] over um and I collected information

[1:32] regarding your dismissal from Honeyman

[1:34] State Park I just wanted to first ask

[1:36] like is there any additional information

[1:39] you believe is important to share with

[1:40] me regarding your experience um and then

[1:43] ultimate dismissal at Honeyman is there

[1:44] anything else that you'd like to be able

[1:46] to share or anything like that okay I

[1:49] appreciate the opportunity to do that um

[1:52] I feel like I did um outline everything

[1:55] that happened with the timeline that I

[1:56] shared on in that video um this is a

[2:00] stressful situation and I'm still

[2:01] processing it so I don't feel like I

[2:03] have full clarity yet um so if there is

[2:06] more that I wanted to share I feel like

[2:08] I need more time to process it before I

[2:10] could um okay that's totally

[2:14] fine and then I'll also um if there's

[2:17] anything that like while we're just like

[2:18] talking here you're like hey actually I

[2:19] want to provide like more context or

[2:21] this reminds me of something um feel

[2:24] free we can go ahead and do that as well

[2:25] okay I appreciate

[2:27] that so um

[2:30] I first wanted to talk about The

[2:32] Honeyman dismissal because I know that

[2:34] was kind of like your primary concern um

[2:37] which was so that dismissal I wanted to

[2:39] let you know that is still moving

[2:41] forward um as like in your volunteer

[2:44] service agreement like OPD can end a

[2:47] volunteer service agreement and a

[2:48] volunteer assignment once it's no longer

[2:50] mutually beneficial and so basically it

[2:54] was looking at the conversation that was

[2:58] had with Park Management on March 5th

[3:01] that was the one where you were talking

[3:02] with Katie and Ryan they had laid out

[3:04] some expectations um one of the

[3:07] expectations was that you were going to

[3:09] have a productive relationship with

[3:11] staff and volunteers and that if you had

[3:14] any concerns about Park Rangers that you

[3:16] were going to speak directly to park

[3:19] management um what happened was last

[3:23] week um both a park host and an OPD

[3:26] staff member had informed management

[3:29] that you had brought up that you were

[3:30] dissatisfied with Park St multiple times

[3:33] um and this was not brought up to Park

[3:35] management so they were going to discuss

[3:37] that with you and then it seems like the

[3:40] phone call that you had with Ryan

[3:42] yesterday to set up a time um wasn't

[3:44] able to resolve and setting up a time to

[3:46] have that discussion and so at that time

[3:48] Ryan made the decision as park manager

[3:50] to end that volunteer assignment um so

[3:53] that's what I have for the reason for

[3:56] the ultimate

[3:57] dismissal um and just wanted to confirm

[4:00] that like that's not going to be

[4:02] overturned that one is still moving

[4:04] forward okay I understand their

[4:07] position um I'm not sure what you would

[4:10] want me to say further than that because

[4:12] um it's a little bit vague um I don't

[4:16] necessarily agree with what they're how

[4:19] they're framing that um I'm not hearing

[4:21] any specifics so it's kind of really

[4:23] hard for me to comment actually

[4:26] um sure did you express dissatisfaction

[4:29] with St with a par host no like I can't

[4:34] like

[4:36] no um

[4:38] no so that was reported by two different

[4:41] sources last week that you one was um

[4:44] let me get to the details so I know one

[4:46] one was when you're returning it looks

[4:48] like maybe a Found book or a found item

[4:50] from so can I explain that because I

[4:52] feel like this is really misunderstood

[4:54] so I wasn't even talking about the

[4:56] Rangers here that was just a general

[4:57] comment I was just saying so it was

[5:00] important to me that this journal get

[5:01] back to to the um to the vet if it was

[5:04] possible and I know that not every

[5:07] Ranger is going to go the extra mile um

[5:10] to try to do that because they just go

[5:12] to the lost and found and they just sit

[5:14] there and I was only just trying to

[5:16] communicate to her that I really wanted

[5:18] somebody to try to do something about

[5:21] this instead of just letting it sit in

[5:22] the Box I was not saying anything about

[5:26] the Rangers here that's not what I was

[5:28] doing

[5:30] so which Rangers were you referring to

[5:32] just in general just um the

[5:35] [Music]

[5:36] um how would I word this

[5:39] so just the culture I mean it's not

[5:42] about any Rangers in particular it's

[5:44] just some Rangers are willing to go the

[5:46] extra mile and some aren't it's not even

[5:48] a judgment it's just an

[5:50] observation but isn't that mean that

[5:53] it's an observation about honeyman's

[5:55] staff I didn't say anything about it's a

[5:57] general thing but it's a dissatisfaction

[5:59] with no I wasn't dissatisfied I did not

[6:02] express any dissatisfaction and I was

[6:05] not talking about Honeyman in particular

[6:07] this was a general

[6:09] comment and that's it and I I'm very

[6:12] surprised that this is the reason that

[6:14] was being used for this because it was

[6:16] not meant as anything in particular it

[6:18] was

[6:19] just me trying to frame how important I

[6:23] thought it was that we tried to get this

[6:24] journal back to its honor yeah and I do

[6:27] want to be able to share from the parks

[6:29] perspective that wasn't the only reason

[6:31] for the dismissal it was also because

[6:33] they were unable to confirm with you at

[6:36] time to have a discussion with this it

[6:38] seems like that phone call did not go

[6:40] well with Ryan and at that time based on

[6:42] the other

[6:45] um um expectations that they had laid

[6:47] out with you earlier that they

[6:49] determined that the volunteer

[6:50] relationship wasn't going to be

[6:51] productive anymore so just that but

[6:54] that's what the discussion was going to

[6:55] can I comment on this as well yes okay

[6:58] so um I was not refusing to meet with

[7:01] him I simply asked him why and he didn't

[7:04] um he ended up dismissing me on the

[7:06] phone before before we had settled where

[7:09] we would meet or when we would meet that

[7:11] was on Ryan I did not refuse to see him

[7:14] at all that never happened as far as the

[7:17] meeting it was refusal I'll go ahead

[7:19] sorry as far as the meeting on the 5th

[7:22] they were not setting expectations they

[7:23] were setting a pretext to get rid of me

[7:26] they treated me really badly down there

[7:29] for over an hour he kept telling me I

[7:31] should eat glass he kept at the very end

[7:34] of thatly said for you to eat glass yes

[7:37] yes there is so much in that in that

[7:39] transcript that would you wouldn't you

[7:41] just would not be able it's it's

[7:43] shocking to me how bad it is he admitted

[7:46] also that he never gave me the benefit

[7:48] of the doubt from the first incident I

[7:50] had with Katie he outright admitted that

[7:52] and said that he never would and at the

[7:53] very end of that conversation for five

[7:55] minutes he told me that I could leave if

[7:57] I felt uncomfortable that I could just

[7:59] go he was trying to push me out of here

[8:01] I knew what was happening and when he

[8:03] called me wanting to um schedule a time

[8:08] to see me 3 days before I'm supposed to

[8:09] leave here I knew I was being ambushed a

[8:11] third time by him so I asked him

[8:14] why that's what

[8:18] happened okay so I'm glad I got that

[8:20] from your perspective we do have that as

[8:22] well as a conversation from another Park

[8:25] host that came forward to park

[8:26] management that had to express some

[8:28] concerns over

[8:30] conversation um so if I'd like I'd like

[8:32] to be able to kind of navigate towards

[8:34] that um which was both staff and a

[8:36] volunteer um Express concern over the

[8:39] topics of conversation that you're

[8:40] bringing up with them specifically

[8:42] regarding the end of the world um and

[8:45] one case you shared that a staff member

[8:47] would be used to kill you when the end

[8:49] of the world occurs like can you explain

[8:51] what's going on with these topics and

[8:54] what the discussion I do not know what

[8:56] you're talking about now that um I I

[8:59] have no idea what you're talking about

[9:02] okay um one was with the staff member

[9:04] from Logan and one was brought forward

[9:06] to park management by a volunteer last

[9:08] week that you had brought up kind of

[9:10] talking about the end of the world that

[9:11] that was one of the reasons that you

[9:13] came to Honeyman um and those were the

[9:16] discussion points that you were bringing

[9:17] out so this sounds blown way out of

[9:20] proportion I have never said the world

[9:22] is ending uh what I see is instability

[9:25] in our system and um I think that

[9:30] that I think that we have the potential

[9:33] for um for greater instability I what

[9:37] you're saying is not what I said and

[9:40] this is just an example

[9:43] of

[9:45] um I I don't even know how to respond to

[9:48] that I truly

[9:50] don't yes um so I hear you so I'm just

[9:53] trying to go through with like what's

[9:54] been reported by multiple folks um with

[9:58] that it kind of lends into I know that

[10:00] um at least once ATA and then definitely

[10:02] at Honeyman there's kind of been

[10:04] informed that your communication is

[10:06] sometimes excessive and not only Prof

[10:08] not always um professional or directly

[10:11] related to the service I'm just like how

[10:13] do you see the difference between your

[10:15] personal experience outside the

[10:16] volunteer service and your professional

[10:18] experience as a park

[10:20] host so

[10:23] I

[10:27] okay I don't believe I'm ever I I've

[10:29] ever been unprofessional okay first of

[10:32] all because I I am a very direct and

[10:35] honest person I am a respectful person

[10:40] uh I

[10:42] have I have had a lot of good

[10:44] experiences here with guests with

[10:46] volunteers with the

[10:48] staff the only problems I had here were

[10:50] with the

[10:52] leadership

[10:53] and I have tried very hard to navigate

[10:56] that to the best of my ability and it's

[10:58] been difficult because I don't feel like

[11:00] I've been given the benefit of the doubt

[11:01] by them they have they even that meaning

[11:04] he told me that I should um assume

[11:08] positive intent but they never assume

[11:10] that with

[11:11] me and I have nothing but positive

[11:17] intent so with this I just kind of want

[11:19] a round back to it which is so I know

[11:22] that you so I was supported the email

[11:25] where you sent um a poem to Logan for

[11:28] him to review there was um some personal

[11:32] um I don't know narrative or maybe more

[11:35] poetry that was shared in like a book

[11:37] log there's also kind of reports of like

[11:39] so any type of

[11:42] noing that that's what I'm talking about

[11:44] as like personal versus professional so

[11:46] okay so there was context for that poem

[11:48] and I explained that during the meeting

[11:50] and I haven't done it since they told me

[11:53] not to email and I haven't I I followed

[11:57] yes so

[11:59] no I'm so that's why I'm asking you like

[12:01] do so what's the how do you see that

[12:03] separation between your personal

[12:04] experience and then volunteer Service as

[12:06] a professional experience as a park host

[12:09] well I mean I think it actually matters

[12:11] okay for one like Logan spent 90 minutes

[12:14] in the Welcome Center being very

[12:15] personal with me and uh you know I

[12:18] thought I was developing a friendship

[12:20] with him

[12:22] and because I'm so new at volunteering I

[12:25] didn't

[12:27] understand um

[12:30] some of the the risks that come with

[12:32] that and I I learned from that

[12:34] experience you know and I just I shared

[12:38] that poem with him because I was hoping

[12:40] he would help me to get some um I was

[12:43] trying to find different host positions

[12:45] working in welcome centers along the

[12:46] coast and I just wanted him to

[12:50] understand how important how much it

[12:53] meant to me to be on the coast and that

[12:55] was it I don't know why that felt like

[12:59] so inappropriate it's just a

[13:11] poem um so with this other information

[13:15] that I'm just trying to kind of grab and

[13:17] understand

[13:18] is what Communications look like as well

[13:22] as kind of like what expectations look

[13:24] like because I can look and I can see

[13:26] that there's a lot of communication

[13:28] between you and um specifically staff

[13:32] over at Honeyman like either emails and

[13:35] text almost daily I know that I have

[13:37] been also brought up as a discussion um

[13:40] with staff at um so I'm was kind of

[13:42] curious about like what's your thoughts

[13:44] on that communication um okay so I'll

[13:47] explain sure um okay so I've been a

[13:50] freelancer all of my life I'm a

[13:52] programmer by trade and I've been

[13:54] communicating by email all of my life so

[13:57] for me that is just a natural away for

[13:59] me to communicate uh I viewed Logan as

[14:02] my direct supervisor because that's what

[14:04] I thought he was until they told me at

[14:05] that meeting on the fifth that he wasn't

[14:08] and so anytime I had an issue or

[14:10] something that I needed to talk about I

[14:12] would email him he's the only person I

[14:14] emailed I didn't email other staff

[14:15] members just Logan because I thought he

[14:17] was my direct

[14:18] supervisor and when they told me not to

[14:21] do that I stopped there's only been like

[14:23] two times I had to email him one was to

[14:25] find out what to do with my stuff on my

[14:26] last day because it would be a Sunday

[14:28] and I knew he wasn't working and I

[14:30] didn't know how do you what do you do

[14:31] with the golf cart how do you return the

[14:33] keys I am a new volunteer I'm just

[14:35] trying to do my

[14:37] job um I yes go ahead I

[14:42] just

[14:44] I this all stems from that original

[14:47] incident with Katie because I emailed

[14:48] her and I told her how the way she

[14:50] reacted to me in that text message made

[14:52] me feel I learned from that I learned

[14:56] that you have to be really careful with

[14:59] some of the people that you know because

[15:01] you just don't know how they'll react

[15:02] and I will react differently as a

[15:05] result I have been having can you

[15:07] elaborate on what that

[15:09] means um what

[15:11] part that you have to be careful and

[15:14] that you're going to react differently

[15:16] yeah like so so Katie was dismiss Katie

[15:19] was dismissive towards me in that text

[15:20] message and I should have just not said

[15:22] anything because uh then nothing would

[15:24] have then I wouldn't have had two months

[15:26] of what I've been going through that's

[15:28] what I mean

[15:30] did you so did you read I read the text

[15:33] because that was forwarded to me and

[15:35] then I also read Katie's response about

[15:37] it and so what in that text specifically

[15:40] spoke out to you as

[15:43] dismissive because I'm trying to

[15:45] understand based on just the written

[15:46] cont I have and then I see Kati response

[15:48] to like clarify I just want to

[15:50] understand from your perspective what's

[15:52] dismissive okay well I want to start by

[15:55] saying that Katie's email was great and

[15:57] I thought it was a resolved issue as

[15:59] results um but then that day Ryan came

[16:01] into the Welcome Center and and did what

[16:04] I said in that video U for an hour um

[16:07] talking about all the problems that um

[16:09] all the the small mistakes I had made my

[16:11] first week and just framing things in a

[16:14] way that made me feel like he was

[16:15] putting me on notice that's what that

[16:17] felt like and

[16:20] um there was nothing wrong with Katie's

[16:22] email I thought there was a resolved

[16:24] issue at that point uh as far as the

[16:27] text message it was 6:00 in the morning

[16:29] I'm a brand new volunteer the power has

[16:32] gone out here it's pitch black

[16:33] everywhere and I'm trying to get

[16:35] clarification on what I'm supposed to do

[16:38] and I tell her that in the eyes of the

[16:40] guest I own this problem and she

[16:42] responds she doesn't even say Hi Sam she

[16:44] says you definitely don't own this

[16:45] problem that felt

[16:52] dismissive got it and then you

[16:54] understood with the context of Katie's

[16:56] email that when she said definitely

[16:59] don't own this problem if I read through

[17:01] her email it looks like she's basically

[17:03] trying to say like you don't own this

[17:05] problem as volunteers don't own any

[17:06] problems with the park it's not that's

[17:08] not your responsibility as a volunteer

[17:10] but you but I already understood that

[17:12] this was about perception this was about

[17:14] Guest perception not

[17:16] not this was about Guest

[17:19] perception can you elaborate what does

[17:21] that mean that it's about Guest

[17:22] perception when I said that I own this

[17:24] problem in the eyes of guests that's how

[17:27] guests view it they come to the Park

[17:29] hosts when there are problems they

[17:32] expect us to solve them some of them get

[17:34] IR ranked and that happened the day

[17:36] before when the water uh Katie had

[17:38] turned the water off and some guests

[17:40] came here they're very irant and that's

[17:44] why when the power went out the very

[17:45] next morning that's why I said that to

[17:48] Katie because I I

[17:50] knew how it was

[17:52] perceived but you do do you understand

[17:55] that the guest perception doesn't change

[17:57] what your responsibility is as of

[17:58] volunteer I didn't know what they were

[18:01] that's why I was that's why I was

[18:02] texting Katie to find out I didn't know

[18:05] what they

[18:13] were and then I wanted to go back as you

[18:15] said you hadn't been in communic or um

[18:20] communicating and writing with other

[18:22] staff but I do have other texts from uh

[18:25] Ranger leaf about like just kind of

[18:29] expressing that you're either bored at

[18:31] The Visitor Center like wanting folks to

[18:33] stop by okay so um I should clarify then

[18:37] I was just talking about email yeah I've

[18:39] texted other rangers um as far as the

[18:41] one you're talking about um that text

[18:44] there um that was me just trying to

[18:46] connect with the staff here trying to

[18:48] integrate trying to be part of the

[18:50] community but in retrospect it's being

[18:53] turned into something

[18:55] else as a justification that's unfair

[19:02] and can you so do you see this as an

[19:05] extension of what Thea sta was talking

[19:08] about when it came to exessive emails

[19:09] and

[19:12] text I I am not even foll you there

[19:15] because I I don't know what you're

[19:16] talking about at umca I thought

[19:17] everything was fine at

[19:19] umca um yes so we reached out because

[19:21] we're trying to make sure and identify

[19:23] like where communication is or you know

[19:25] what had been happening at past parks to

[19:27] be able to understand and get in Contex

[19:28] through volunteer service and so um

[19:31] Ranger Frankie there did share that she

[19:33] had talked with you about sending too

[19:35] many texts and emails to staff yeah and

[19:38] and that's fair because I mean that was

[19:40] my very first time volunteering and you

[19:42] know um I liked Frankie and

[19:47] um I understand where you're coming from

[19:49] like I I get that there is a line

[19:52] between

[19:53] um what I should communicate and I've

[19:57] been learning from that

[19:59] I don't think that there's anything in

[20:01] the last month or um longer where where

[20:06] I

[20:07] have have not created that

[20:12] line um I do want to go back to an email

[20:15] you sent specifically to

[20:18] Logan um it was one go through here

[20:35] got it yes it was on March first and so

[20:37] you had sent it to Logan to talk about

[20:41] um oh no sorry March 2nd it had been a

[20:44] followup to you were expressing

[20:45] dissatisfaction with Ranger Patrick um

[20:48] due to you had talked with him and he

[20:50] wasn't able to provide you answers so he

[20:52] had directed you to talk with Logan and

[20:54] then that he had been sharing that

[20:55] Rangers were always there to help and

[20:57] use uh um and so that was some of those

[21:00] issues and then on the second you send

[21:02] an email to Logan that expressed that

[21:04] you no longer trust him and then you

[21:07] directed him to ensure that your his

[21:09] your contributions would be recognized

[21:10] appropriately in your system um can you

[21:14] give context for why you decided to send

[21:16] that email to Logan and what was it that

[21:18] you were trying to get across to

[21:20] him yeah

[21:24] um a lot has happened here and

[21:31] Logan did break my trust so I didn't how

[21:35] did he break your

[21:38] trust I mean I outlined it in the email

[21:41] so uh for one the situation the very

[21:44] last situate the thing that that finally

[21:46] did it

[21:47] was it's been a lot I mean you're asking

[21:50] me to narrate the past two months of

[21:53] issues that have been happening with

[21:55] Logan and I didn't want my future being

[22:00] um jeopardized because of um I'm just

[22:03] going to say like a personal um he had

[22:05] some personal things going on and I

[22:07] didn't trust that he would act in a

[22:09] professional manner with me and so you

[22:12] think he had personal things going on

[22:14] had he share with you like these

[22:15] personal things when he spent 90 minutes

[22:18] in the Welcome Center doing stretches in

[22:19] front of me and and he's my direct

[22:22] supervisor and I don't know how to

[22:24] respond to this and I'm really

[22:25] uncomfortable with it but I don't know

[22:26] what to do about it because he's my

[22:28] direct supervisor so I just I sit

[22:30] through it and um okay sorry I just

[22:35] wanted to be able to clarify what that

[22:36] was and then so okay once again I just

[22:38] asked so in the email you had said that

[22:41] it was because I think it was being

[22:42] disingenuine but I don't see examples so

[22:46] that's what I'm trying to understand is

[22:47] what did Logan do specifically where

[22:50] you're like he has broken my okay well

[22:52] the the yeah okay so he told me that

[22:55] leaf would train me and then Leaf didn't

[22:57] even know about it

[23:02] he told me directly Leaf would train me

[23:04] and it was his idea it wasn't even

[23:08] mine and then on the day of

[23:11] training um Lea didn't even know about

[23:16] it was it just that one specific

[23:18] incident no but that was the last one

[23:20] that was the one that finally told me

[23:21] that I really truly couldn't trust this

[23:23] person uh another I worked at the

[23:25] Welcome Center I did a double on my very

[23:27] last day there I stayed an hour pass

[23:28] that so I worked 9 hours that day uh he

[23:31] didn't even acknowledge

[23:32] it he just was very

[23:38] dismissive and

[23:51] avoidant okay

[23:56] um so I'm kind of trying to review make

[23:58] sure that at least I've talked with you

[24:01] and gotten information from you about

[24:02] some of the things that are kind of

[24:05] pointing out to me that I wanted to get

[24:06] more clarification from a your

[24:08] perspective um is there anything else

[24:10] that you want to share with me about um

[24:13] that you would like to provide

[24:14] additional context for or that you'd

[24:17] like to be able to discuss with

[24:19] me so the thing that I would want

[24:23] to I would want to say to

[24:25] you is

[24:28] I understand the position you're

[24:30] in

[24:34] and let me see how to let me this is

[24:36] important I would like to get this

[24:40] right I legitimately care about the park

[24:43] system I came here with the best

[24:45] intentions I do a very good job uh my

[24:48] communication might be a little

[24:50] different than some people's but that

[24:52] should not be a reason to treat me badly

[24:55] and that's what's

[24:57] happened um

[24:59] and in your perspective I just want to

[25:00] make sure I clarify because I don't want

[25:02] to just have this and being General

[25:04] treat you badly

[25:07] means the hourlong gaslighting telling

[25:10] me to eat glass and saying they won't

[25:12] give me the benefit of the doubt or

[25:13] coming into the Welcome Center and tell

[25:15] me about my mistakes and trying to make

[25:16] me feel like I've done something wrong

[25:19] they treated me badly

[25:26] here so did you view

[25:29] you view anytime that Ryan talks with

[25:31] you about something that you had talked

[25:33] with another Ranger about as part of

[25:36] communication I'm just trying to

[25:38] understand that connection I've had very

[25:40] little interaction with Ryan the only

[25:41] time that I have he's

[25:44] been um what's the word for

[25:52] this

[25:54] he I I have said what I think should be

[25:57] said I I I you know

[26:07] I I am kind to everybody all the time I

[26:11] am a good

[26:12] person and I do a good job and I wasn't

[26:16] treated that way by some of the

[26:17] leadership here and that's the truth and

[26:21] is that when you say leadership are you

[26:22] just referring to Ryan and Katie and

[26:25] Logan

[26:42] okay um if there's anything else

[26:43] otherwise I want to talk to you about

[26:45] like hey like what the next steps are in

[26:47] this situation U but if there's anything

[26:49] else that you wanted to bring up before

[26:50] that yeah there's one other thing that

[26:52] I've been thinking through I just I

[26:55] understand that it's very important that

[26:58] uh especially written communication be

[27:01] in a

[27:01] certain

[27:03] um meet a certain standard and that's

[27:07] something that I've been learning in

[27:09] real time so you know maybe I made some

[27:12] mistakes but they were never malicious

[27:15] and they were always done with positive

[27:18] intent

[27:19] and I'm

[27:21] learning this is a state agency that's

[27:24] very new to me so um it's just a

[27:27] different it's a different environment

[27:28] for

[27:38] me thank you for sharing

[27:42] that so um as far as like next steps but

[27:45] those look likees moving forward um I'm

[27:47] going to review our conversation

[27:49] together um I'm going to review kind of

[27:52] the details of the incident reports from

[27:54] Honeyman as well

[27:56] ASA um I'm then going to be meting with

[27:58] the management for Umpa and making a

[28:01] determination about whether or not that

[28:03] service will be scheduled through with

[28:04] that Park management um as well as then

[28:07] following that we'll make a

[28:09] determination on what does future

[28:11] service look like with Oregon State

[28:13] Parks um I want to make sure that I have

[28:16] these conversations and I get the right

[28:17] information and so I do want to let you

[28:19] know like this might take a couple days

[28:21] um but I also know it's the end of the

[28:23] month and you'll be wanting to know

[28:24] exactly what you um have planned for the

[28:27] future so so I can let you know that the

[28:30] latest that you'll hear from me would be

[28:31] Friday

[28:32] 3:28 um and I'll be able to talk to you

[28:34] about what service might look like ATA

[28:38] and or what service might look like at

[28:40] Oregon State Parks large okay so a

[28:43] couple of things um um Frankie emailed

[28:47] me yesterday saying that she was moving

[28:49] me to tugman because she had some

[28:52] cancellations um and so she was just

[28:55] rearranging people she was moving me to

[28:57] a42 the host relief position there at

[29:00] tugman for April so I wouldn't have been

[29:03] at umal um and because of the short

[29:07] notice of having to leave here I was

[29:09] going to book reservations at tugman

[29:12] just a normal site there until April

[29:15] started I want to make sure that's

[29:17] okay yeah you were not um you were only

[29:20] dismissed from Honeyman as a volunteer

[29:22] so there's no um there's no impact to

[29:26] you as a visitor at any St Park so

[29:28] anything that a visitor is able to

[29:30] access to do you were able to be able to

[29:32] move forward with so there's no concerns

[29:33] there okay okay I appreciate that um I I

[29:37] hope it works out I really care about

[29:39] the parks here I truly do and I think

[29:43] that I'm an asset I'm a I'm some I I

[29:46] bring value here

[29:48] I it's really unfortunate that things

[29:51] happen the way they did at Honeyman cuz

[29:53] I love this place

[29:57] and I always acted with the best

[29:59] intentions that's the

[30:08] truth thank you so much for sharing that

[30:11] I do appreciate that I appreciate you

[30:12] being open to have a discussion um to

[30:15] doing your best to kind of provide the

[30:17] clarification that I was looking for to

[30:19] be able to kind of better understand

[30:21] your experience beyond what you had

[30:23] already shared with me um and so with

[30:27] that um I'll be reaching out to you as

[30:30] soon as we're able to determine what

[30:32] next steps are um and then like I said

[30:34] the absolute latest would be Friday the

[30:36] 28th okay thank you I appreciate your

[30:40] time yes thank you you have a great rest

[30:42] of your day you too thank you bye-bye

[30:47] bye okay

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