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So after Pop Star, I moved on to this
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project. I was still working with the
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same clients.
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Uh their primary business at the time
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was they owned thousands of premium
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domain names
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and they would work with other
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freelancers to create properties on
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those.
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That's how my relationship with them
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started with Popstar.
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Uh they also own USA.com, London, Asia,
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Paris, Berlin, just a whole bunch of
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geographical domain names that just had
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value in their names alone. And we were
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building a platform on those. We started
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with Hotel.net and then we expanded it
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to other ones. Um on this screen here,
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I've got one of those tabs is usa.com,
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but we put it on a number of different
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properties.
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This project
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had very long longtail SEO and SEM.
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This one we had a massive ad groups
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campaign for
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for every city
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in this database.
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we likely we had an ad group for it
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and we would algorithmic algorithmically
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adjust those um based on how they were
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performing. So some of them maybe would
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have turned off over time but we would
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have started with the entire world.
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We were spending an average of $100,000
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a month
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and we were profitable
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for several years until the market
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became a lot more saturated.
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Uh Google entered the market, they
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started actually eating their own
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traffic because you know we were paying
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for ads on their platform but they were
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still putting their own widget above our
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our ads and it just became a very
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difficult
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Um,
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we didn't have an easy way to pivot.
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I had thoughts and ideas about it back
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then, uh, that just weren't shared. So,
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the platform was just
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I feel like I felt like at the time
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didn't have any support. It was just
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myself doing this. That seems to often
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be the case.
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And not all my suggestions were taken
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cuz I actually did see that this was the
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trajectory of the market and I I would
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have headed it off if I could have.
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I hope that doesn't sound like um
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like I'm refraraming history or
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something like that.
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really truly back then I knew that we
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could not just rely on SEM traffic that
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that was just just waiting to be a death
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now. Um but I could never really
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convince my partners on this project
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that we needed to expand in different
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ways and one of the biggest ways that I
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wanted to expand at the time I think was
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through like a content um kind of
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program like what I did with Pop Star.
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we we had writers who were, you know,
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writing in the travel vertical and
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trying to build a community around it.
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I just didn't have the support for that.
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So, we wrote out the wave and just let
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it die naturally.
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So, on this project, um, let me go
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through my slides here. Definitely get a
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little off track probably.
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So, yeah, the first thing I had to do
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was build a geography database. Uh the
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website itself is powered by the same
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content management system as Pop Star
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was matrix server, the one that I had
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been working on since I was a teenager.
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Uh as a freelancer, you know, you rely
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on your own your own tool set and that
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was mine. I could do pretty much
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anything with it.
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This was preframework. There was no
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Laravel yet or anything like that. I had
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essentially built my own. And for this
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geography database, I largely used a API
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from Yahoo at the time. Don't remember
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what it was called, but it was it was
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the best one. I had tried many many
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approaches and ended up on their API. I
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really liked it. And I used that to
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populate the entire database.
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Um,
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then I had to normalize the data. There
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was a there were there was a lot of work
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involved in getting this geography
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database right. There's a reason why
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even today probably there are places you
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can just buy a geography database. Um,
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don't ask me why we didn't do that. I
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just I think I probably wanted to do
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this myself. Like I just wanted it done
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right or something. So So you start with
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that and you know that kind of made it
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so that we had we had you know hundreds
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of thousands of pages you know real long
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tail. This was back when Google, you
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know, when you were you were still kind
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of gaming the system a little bit, I
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guess. Uh I don't feel like it there was
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anything unethical just indexing pages,
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right? But we we got a lot of traffic,
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you know, from having such a longtail
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travel website. I mean, we definitely
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covered a lot of things that
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um a lot of the other ones didn't.
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So
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yeah, so I feel like I mentioned a lot
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of the SEO and SEM stuff, but some other
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things I would add. So we had AB
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testing. Um this so when you're looking
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at this page here, so you're this would
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this might be a landing page to a
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particular city. This is the SEO landing
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page version of it. So there we did a
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bunch of AB testing and based on you
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know what was the most efficient way to
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convert um you know was the approach we
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took with every city you know could end
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up on kind of different layout depending
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so I can't like say that this was an
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inspiring platform like to me it was you
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know this was this was an early version
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of,
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you know, legitimately trying to help
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people find the lowest rates somewhere.
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Um, but this was a very fine-tuned
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machine, that's for sure.
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So, yeah, I feel like I covered most of
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this.
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Yeah. So once um we had this I guess on
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that was another thing I was going to
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say about the SEM. So um in order to
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have you know a campaign that big you
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know programmatically you had to create
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all those ad ad groups uh there are
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hundreds of thousands of them millions
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of keywords and you know I had to manage
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that every month.
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Um
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that was probably the you know aside
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from the programming was one of the
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primary tasks that I had to manage was
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just keep you know keeping our ad
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campaigns profitable. That was
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definitely a lot of work.
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So once we had this system you know I
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felt like it was at a good place then we
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started moving it to the um other
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properties that had. So we moved to
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usa.com and then you know you just kind
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of filtered the geography database for
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the United States and make it a little
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bit different and give you know the
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different landing pages and um we just
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expanded it
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once
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it became
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once we reached the point where it just
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wasn't profitable. That's when I moved
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on and I went back into freelancing and
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I found my next client who I worked with
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for somewhere between seven and 10 years
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and um I entered the music industry at
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that point. So I started working on um a
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music streaming service and a music
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distribution service and I'll talk about
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those next. Um it's a whole different
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story. So